Showing posts with label mosin nagant. Show all posts
Showing posts with label mosin nagant. Show all posts

Monday, March 20, 2017

The Curious Case of the Skyrocketing Mosin Nagant Prices

Relatively speaking, I haven’t been collecting and shooting firearms for that long, only around 9 or 10 years as of today. My first firearm, a Christmas gift from a former employer, was a Bushmaster ORC AR15 (nice gift eh?). I soon followed that up with my first handgun, a Smith and Wesson M and P 9mm, these are typical firearms for a newcomer to the wonderful world of gun ownership. But, it didn’t take long for me to discover the joys of military surplus firearms, especially given the fact that I am a self-confessed military history buff.


Mosin Nagant 91/30 1933 Tula Hex Receiver

My first mil-surp was a Mauser 24/47 that I bought off a guy in one of my college classes. He happened to over hear me talking about guns with someone else in our class and mentioned he had a rifle (Yugoslavian 24/47 Mauser in 8mm) he was trying to sell. It needed a bit of cleaning up and the metal had some rust, so I offered him 50 dollars (a number which was suggested by a local gun smith who inspected the rifle for me before I bought it) and the seller surprisingly agreed, as this was well below the average price for that rifle at the time. Around that same time, I was introduced to the venerable and legendary Mosin Nagant. The year was 2010 and a typical Mosin Nagant 91/30 was selling for between $99 and $129 dollars. It was a good time to be a buyer. But then again, we always hear the clichés about the “good ole days” don’t we?

For some reason, which I still fail to comprehend, the Mosin Nagant is frequently described as an “ugly gun” or, “not much of a looker”. The other phrase I have heard often times goes something like this, “she ain’t much to look at, but she sure shoots straight!” I’m left scratching my head because the Mosin Nagant is actually quite a beautiful rifle. The stocks are often a dark, rich shade of reddish/maroon and the long, slender barrel is unmistakable.

I’m still beside myself when I think that there was a time when these rifles were not in high demand, or considered undesirable. What I’m saying is that they are absolutely fantastic, and I am not alone judging by the rising prices.

Back to 2010, I knew that I was getting a good bargain at $99-$129 so I bought myself a few of them those first couple years of my collection. Perhaps 3-4 in all, including my first M44, which unfortunately due to my bad memory (which is getting worse with each passing year) I don’t remember what I paid for, so I can’t give you an exact number, but I think it was around $200-$250.

With that in mind, let’s look at some of the prices I’ve been following in the past couple months;

- At a gun show in Kansas, a Facebook user posted a photo showing a 1943 Izhevsk 91/30 (1943 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant 91/30’s are the most common and will usually be the lowest priced) priced from $325 to $350.


A pair of Mosin Nagants for sale at a recent gun show. (Photo courtesy of Derrick Wilkins)

- A 91/30 for $229 (date unknown but probably a 1943 Izhevsk) at a Massachusetts retailer.
- Polish 1952 M44 $290 on a Gun Broker auction.
- Romanian 1955 M44 $391 on a Gun Broker auction.
- Russian Izhevsk 1943 M38 $300 on a Gun Broker auction.
- Russian Izhevsk 1943 M38 $285 at Victory-Arms.com
- Russian Izhevsk 1933 91/30 $225 at Victory-Arms.com
- Russian 91/30 (various dates) $199 at CenterfireSystems.com (sold out)

A typical Mosin Nagant is now selling for no less than $100 more than what it was selling for just 7 years ago. Close to a 100% increase, some times more in some cases. That is an excellent return on any investment over the same time frame. Prices like that even have left me to consider selling some of my collection. But how much higher will prices go?
It looks like prices will continue to rise for now. My prediction is that prices will stabilize for the next 6 months but if the ban on Russian imports doesn’t bring in a massive influx of military surplus, then prices will just keep going up steadily (the Obama administration imposed a ban on Russian imports as reaction to the Russian invasion in the Crimea and their meddling in Ukraine. The new administration has yet to lift those sanctions).

I find it difficult to blame retailers. Businesses have an obligation to maximize profits without losing customer loyalty. Naturally, they will collectively be watching the market and their sales results to see what’s the most money they can get for a particular product. Used guns sales are a lot like used car sales.

Some of the people I surveyed mentioned inflation. OK, that’s one possibility. But I calculated the inflation rate for a Mosin Nagant 91/30  that was priced at $129 in 2010. In today’s dollars that would be the equivalent of $144. With most 91/30’s going for $229 and up, inflation alone does not account for the entire increase in price.

The vast consensus is that the ban on Russian imports, combined with a decrease in inventory across the USA and the increase in interest from new shooters and collectors makes for a perfect storm which results in the massive price increases we’re seen recently.

As of today, you should expect to pay no less than $229 for a 1943 Izhevsk 91/30 and anywhere from $289 to $325 for some of the more desirable 91/30’s such as any Tula or Hex receiver. For an M44 you should expect to pay $280-$300, an M38 is going to run you about the same. However, the premium prices for any Mosin Nagant variant are currently going to the 91/59 and any Finnish model (Please note that this article refers strictly to the most common Mosin Nagant’s which are Russian in origin. Other Mosin Nagants from non-Russian factories generally command higher prices). Prices for those are all over the place but unless you get one with blemishes, such as the cracked stocks Fins that Classic Firearms is currently selling, you’ll end up paying anywhere from $400 all the way up to the $600’s.


It’s a seller’s market, to say the least, however, new owners of Mosin Nagants, even if they are paying more than double what some of us paid for ours, are still getting an amazing piece of history for less than $300 US Dollars. Do I wish prices were lower right now? Of course I do! Then again, maybe part of me is just upset that I didn’t buy a couple of crates worth (20 rifles to a crate) back in 2010? 

Tuesday, March 14, 2017

Video - Mosin Nagant 91/30 Sniper Rifle vs. Iron Sights at the Zero Range

I've been waiting for 4 years to shoot my Mosin Nagant sniper rifle. How accurate was it? Have a look for yourself! And how do the groups match up at 25, 50 and 100 yards versus iron sights?

Sunday, July 27, 2014

Beautiful Photos of an Austrian Captured M91 (1916)

Found these photos on one of my Flip Board feeds. It's a gorgeous 1916 M91 from this guys Flickr feed -

https://www.flickr.com/photos/88013991@N07/

To view more photos of this and another beautiful M91 just go to his page.
Wow!




Monday, April 28, 2014

I Better Post Something... A Mosin Nagant 91/30 Sniper Will Do

Sadly, I am unable to post with any regularity for the next month or so due to my attendance at Advanced Leaders Course at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. However, I will, from time to time, do my best to post SOMETHING, ANYTHING.

It's a little frustrating, being stationed in Korea, unable to shoot my guns, clean them, restore them, upgrade them and what not and I really hate the idea of my blog having become something of a picture dump for guns, but, I have little choice. Especially now that I am the Public Affairs Rep. for my unit.

However, rest assured, My Gun Diary will continue to be updated whenever I have time and when I get back the the States in the Spring of 2015, I will be spending a good deal of time on new videos and content. Oh, and I haven't forgotten about a web site redesign, the template is already sitting "in the can" just waiting for me to get back to the good old USA.

In the meantime, here's a sweet photo of a Mosin Nagant 91/30 Snipler rifle.

:)


Sunday, April 20, 2014

Mosin Nagant's Are Beautiful

I'm always reading descriptions of Mosin Nagant's as being an "ugly but practical" rifle, but I think Mosin Nagant's are stunningly beautiful. Don't you agree?


Friday, October 4, 2013

I Know Beauty When I See It

I'll say it again, there's almost nothing more beautiful to these eyes than a Mosin Nagant...



Well, I did say ALMOST nothing more beautiful...


Sunday, September 8, 2013

Picture of the Day

Beautiful photo of a Mosin Nagant 91/30. Love the color of the wood.

Although millions were made, to a keen eye, and an avid collector such as myself, each one is unique.


Saturday, August 10, 2013

I Know a Mosin Nagant When I See One

Surreal image of either a Russian or American Eskimo armed with a Mosin Nagant. I suppose you would need one in that environment, you can be confident that it would take down a polar bear!


Sunday, April 7, 2013

Photos - Last Day at the Range (for a while)

If you're wondering why there's no video footage from my day at the range today, it's because I wanted to simply enjoy a little solitude and keep my entire focus on the targets down range, for today would be my last day at the range for at least a year, probably two, as a deployment to Korea looms just 38 days from now.

I took out my Chinese Type 53, a tried and true 1943 Mosin Nagant 91/30 and the first bolt action rifle I ever purchased, the 24/47 which I picked up for 50 bucks from a guy I had a college class with. The reason I chose these firearms was simple, I've got plenty of 7.62x54r and 8mm ammo. But not just that, I wanted to enjoy each and every round fired and that's much easier to do when you're working a bolt action as opposed to blasting round after round from a semi-automatic.

Rain was in the forecast but the skies cleared just long enough to enjoy precipitation-free shooting from 10am to around noon.

I never really paid that much attention to the difference but I have to say, there was a clear difference in the smoothness of the bolt actions between the Mosin Nagant (Type 53 included) and the 24/47 Mauser with the Mosin Nagant coming out way ahead. The action was so smooth, it required little effort to work it, while the 24/47 action required a little bit of elbow grease to cycle. Another surprise was the trigger pull of the Type 53, it was surprising light, and a pleasant surprise it was, not to mention how impressive the accuracy was as well (see the photo).

I almost always invite a few friends with me when I go to the range, but not today, today was just for me, to relax and enjoy and that I did. I also got to shoot an MP5 sub-machine gun for the first time today. A guy named Rich, on the lane next to me had a unique looking MP5 on his bench (along with a M1 Carbine) as per my usual MO, I introduced myself and offered Rich my MyGunDiary.com business card. He was friendly and asked if I wanted to try out his MP5, I was beside myself, hell yes! He let me fire off a full magazine and it was awesome. Easy to control and very low recoil.

Another guy on the range today had a super cool, custom AR15 that he built himself, which featured an eye-catching Yankee Hill fluted barrel. Check out the pics below.

All in all, my last day of shooting was quite enjoyable. Goodbye for now shooting range, I hope ammo prices drop during my time away.


Yugo Mauser 24/47


7.62x54r


Chinese Type 53 and 1943 Mosin Nagant 91/30


Yugo Mauser 24/47



Felix with the MP5 (note the M1 carbine with barrel shroud on the bench).


MP5


Chinese Type 53


Grouping @ 25 yards with Chinese Type 53


MP5 (M1 carbine above).


Custom AR15 with fluted barrel.

Wednesday, April 3, 2013

Look What UPS Brought for me Today - Mosin Nagant M44

I had previously posted about the great deal ClassicFirearms.com had on M44's a couple weeks ago, don't say I didn't give you a heads up. I hope y'all got an order in! They also had Hex receiver 91/30s and sold out of those quick!

Anyway, I received my M44 today and boy does it looks nice. It's a 1944 Izhevsk and it's in great shape. Barrel looks clean and sharp, the stock only has a few light dings and scratches.

It arrived packed nicely and included a took kit and oil can, but did not include the usual accompaniments such as an ammo pouch and sling. Shipping was relatively fast considering the high volume right now.

Looks like I'm shipping out in a few weeks, I'm hoping to get one last trip out to the range before I pack everything away. I'll be doing a video on how to pack your firearms for long term storage. Stay tuned.






From top to bottom: 1944 Izhevsk, 1946 Izhevsk (East German), 1956 Chinese Type 53

Friday, March 15, 2013

Video - My Russian Firearms Arsenal

In what might be my last video upload before I head off to Korea, I share with you my entire Russian firearms arsenal with a one-by-one detailed description and brief history of each gun.

The 91/30 was the first surplus rifle that I collected, and what a monster it created!

Enjoy the video.

Special thanks to Matthew Garver of Venti Productions for the camera work!

















Pay no mind to the photo below...




Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Chinese Type 53

Just picked up a 1956 Chinese Type 53 carbine from GunBroker.com. As Type 53's go, this one looks to be in pretty good condition. I gave the barrel a good once over and it looks nice and shiny and bright. Also gave the stock and metal parts a good once over, I'll actually take it apart this weekend and really give it a good cleaning. I'll try to get out and shoot it at least once before I head off to Korea!